Spiritual Mentors… Spiritual Fathers/Mothers… Gurus… Saints… Perfect People?
Update, 9-7: Daphne at Joyful Days has just reviewed Original Faith. I plan to use an aspect of her review as a way to lead into the topic of my next post. Thanks, Daphne!
Influences vs. Mentors
People have a wide variety of experiences when it comes to spiritual mentors and influences. Although I had one significant encounter with someone who was a spiritual mentor to many people, it was a brief encounter on a three day retreat. The relationship didn’t extend so far as true mentorship.
I did have one other relevant experience: when I was in a long period of despair in my teens into my early twenties, I often spoke about spiritual concerns with an uncle who was intelligent and well informed about science as well as religion. It was encouraging to me that he wasn’t hopeless about life. While this encouragement didn’t go so far as to give me vicarious faith through him – faith that he had the answers I was looking for – it did let me see that a positive view of life wasn’t just for people who were naïve or kidding themselves. But those persons with by far the biggest spiritual influence on me exerted it much more indirectly than directly: my mother and father.
Social Settings and Seeming Perfection
From what I’ve seen of others and know about myself, I think it’s a mistake to idolize anyone – to imagine that even those we most look up to don’t sometimes feel, think and act from out of egoism. I doubt the ego dies until we do.
I suspect that one reason we’re tempted to idolize renowned spiritual figures is simply that we don’t know them up close and personal enough. I imagine that being a celebrated spiritual figure would be enough to assure that in public you’d act that way with great consistency. That’s a lot of social pressure…
An analogy comes to mind. Although I tend to be a calm person and someone who isn’t moody – who doesn’t have “bad days” that impact those around me – my appearance in this regard was especially consistent at work because of my position as school counselor. Even when I was having some hugely bad days and years as I entered into the world of rare disease and declining health, few people at work knew about them. Those who were aware only knew because I confided in them, but even here, I didn’t confide in an agitated manner or frequently. No one knew how often I was confronting deeply troubling turns of events or how steadily and seriously my quality of life was eroding.
But an emotionally volatile counselor who looked like he was losing it – that wouldn’t have worked out too well! My social context required me to project calm and collectedness more perfectly and consistently than I experienced it.
What’s your view/experience of spiritual influences and mentors? Do you see mentors as perfect? Nearly so? Or as just having hiked further on up the road?
Influences vs. Mentors
People have a wide variety of experiences when it comes to spiritual mentors and influences. Although I had one significant encounter with someone who was a spiritual mentor to many people, it was a brief encounter on a three day retreat. The relationship didn’t extend so far as true mentorship.
I did have one other relevant experience: when I was in a long period of despair in my teens into my early twenties, I often spoke about spiritual concerns with an uncle who was intelligent and well informed about science as well as religion. It was encouraging to me that he wasn’t hopeless about life. While this encouragement didn’t go so far as to give me vicarious faith through him – faith that he had the answers I was looking for – it did let me see that a positive view of life wasn’t just for people who were naïve or kidding themselves. But those persons with by far the biggest spiritual influence on me exerted it much more indirectly than directly: my mother and father.
Social Settings and Seeming Perfection
From what I’ve seen of others and know about myself, I think it’s a mistake to idolize anyone – to imagine that even those we most look up to don’t sometimes feel, think and act from out of egoism. I doubt the ego dies until we do.
I suspect that one reason we’re tempted to idolize renowned spiritual figures is simply that we don’t know them up close and personal enough. I imagine that being a celebrated spiritual figure would be enough to assure that in public you’d act that way with great consistency. That’s a lot of social pressure…
An analogy comes to mind. Although I tend to be a calm person and someone who isn’t moody – who doesn’t have “bad days” that impact those around me – my appearance in this regard was especially consistent at work because of my position as school counselor. Even when I was having some hugely bad days and years as I entered into the world of rare disease and declining health, few people at work knew about them. Those who were aware only knew because I confided in them, but even here, I didn’t confide in an agitated manner or frequently. No one knew how often I was confronting deeply troubling turns of events or how steadily and seriously my quality of life was eroding.
But an emotionally volatile counselor who looked like he was losing it – that wouldn’t have worked out too well! My social context required me to project calm and collectedness more perfectly and consistently than I experienced it.
What’s your view/experience of spiritual influences and mentors? Do you see mentors as perfect? Nearly so? Or as just having hiked further on up the road?








13 Comments:
I find it's more about counselling and a mentor's 'holding the mirror' up to us (in the context of the subject area) than anything. Experience counts. A spiritual mentor can model humility and tell how it was for them. So, identification in this is crucial--a 'perfect mentor' would defeat the purpose I think.
Tuti - You and my mom are so perceptive...
Btw everyone, this is a long holiday weekend in the US so comments to this post may end up being smaller in number and more international...
I never assume anyone is perfect. We all have our flaws. Some of us have more than our share of flaws. Some of us less.
I have never had a true spiritual mentor. However, many people have influenced me spiritually during my lifetime especially certain authors and religious figures.
I was surprised and honored to learn one day that a friend of mine, who is my junior by 25+ years, named me as her spiritual mentor when she was asked about it in a Bible study group. This friend happens to be my beautician. Once a month I go for my regular haircut in her basement where she has a nice little beauty shop set up, and we talk. We never talk about spiritual matters actually. Oh, maybe we did once or twice. Our conversations run the gamut topic wise though. Somehow the spiritual comes out I suppose.
Something I do for this friend of mine is build her up whenever I get my hair cut. By the time she is done cutting my hair and styling it, she feels good about herself and about life in general. Maybe this is why she considers me her mentor.
The following is probably an example of poor spiritual counseling. Mother Teresa suffered terrible unrelenting spiritual torment for many years. Archbishop Ferdinand Périer was one of her spiritual advisors. In a Time magazine article, David Van Biema writes:
“Périer may have missed the note of desperation. "God guides you, dear Mother," he answered avuncularly. "You are not so much in the dark as you think ... You have exterior facts enough to see that God blesses your work ... Feelings are not required and often may be misleading.”
Spiritual darkness is quite normal for those who are intensely moving towards “the One.” But I suspect that her decades of suffering is probably not normal nor useful. Too bad that no one apparently suggested to her that the absence of the divine is simply another manifestation of it.
Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html
That is, indirect, and where religion and spirituality are discussed very little...
I'd be curious what others think. Seems like there are at least those two types of mentoring - the implicit and the overt...
Raymond - Guess the Archbishop illustrates how much real counseling skills are needed to be an effective mentor - or even just the ability to listen, to take in rather than project.
For me 'I' am my best mentor and others are signs from whom I can realize things...
Vishesh - "For me 'I' am my best mentor and others are signs from whom I can realize things..." That's a really good summary of how I've experienced this as well.
All that being said, I still do have some 'belief' (although I dislike that word) in enlightenment - in the idea that there is a way to live, a place we can come to, that is a fundamentally different kind of existence. Where the ego and its habits cannot really grab us anymore. I don't know if it matters if we ever get there, and since I subscribe to rebirth/reincarnation in some form, I think it is a pursuit across lifetimes. But I do think it is possible.
Perhaps the best word I've heard is the Japanese "Sensei". It simply means someone who has been there before. There is no expectations for some kind of saintliness or perfection - just been there before and come out of it a better person.
A much healthier figure to look up to, I believe! Would love to hear what you think.
That sounds right to me…
As to coming to lead "a fundamentally different kind of existence,” that enters into territory that's challenging to conceptualize. How different? Always different? What is "identity?" Where is continuity? Where is discontinuity - or is the discontinuity of enlightenment, if it should be conceived that way, a matter of reconnecting?
Albert- That works for me. "Sensei" sounds like an earthy, realistic version of "saint" - a word that I have problems with because of how much it puts the person on a pedestal. It's almost like the saint is turned into a NON mentor with the implication that "You ordinary people have no chance of being anything like this..."
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