Sunday, September 06, 2009

Spiritual Mentors… Spiritual Fathers/Mothers… Gurus… Saints… Perfect People?

Update, 9-7: Daphne at Joyful Days has just reviewed Original Faith. I plan to use an aspect of her review as a way to lead into the topic of my next post. Thanks, Daphne!

Influences vs. Mentors

People have a wide variety of experiences when it comes to spiritual mentors and influences. Although I had one significant encounter with someone who was a spiritual mentor to many people, it was a brief encounter on a three day retreat. The relationship didn’t extend so far as true mentorship.

I did have one other relevant experience: when I was in a long period of despair in my teens into my early twenties, I often spoke about spiritual concerns with an uncle who was intelligent and well informed about science as well as religion. It was encouraging to me that he wasn’t hopeless about life. While this encouragement didn’t go so far as to give me vicarious faith through him – faith that he had the answers I was looking for – it did let me see that a positive view of life wasn’t just for people who were naïve or kidding themselves. But those persons with by far the biggest spiritual influence on me exerted it much more indirectly than directly: my mother and father.

Social Settings and Seeming Perfection

From what I’ve seen of others and know about myself, I think it’s a mistake to idolize anyone – to imagine that even those we most look up to don’t sometimes feel, think and act from out of egoism. I doubt the ego dies until we do.

I suspect that one reason we’re tempted to idolize renowned spiritual figures is simply that we don’t know them up close and personal enough. I imagine that being a celebrated spiritual figure would be enough to assure that in public you’d act that way with great consistency. That’s a lot of social pressure…

An analogy comes to mind. Although I tend to be a calm person and someone who isn’t moody – who doesn’t have “bad days” that impact those around me – my appearance in this regard was especially consistent at work because of my position as school counselor. Even when I was having some hugely bad days and years as I entered into the world of rare disease and declining health, few people at work knew about them. Those who were aware only knew because I confided in them, but even here, I didn’t confide in an agitated manner or frequently. No one knew how often I was confronting deeply troubling turns of events or how steadily and seriously my quality of life was eroding.

But an emotionally volatile counselor who looked like he was losing it – that wouldn’t have worked out too well! My social context required me to project calm and collectedness more perfectly and consistently than I experienced it.

What’s your view/experience of spiritual influences and mentors? Do you see mentors as perfect? Nearly so? Or as just having hiked further on up the road?

13 Comments:

Blogger S.J. Wickham said...
Mentoring is almost be definition a strict objective yet most mentoring I've had has been more about coaching then mentoring.
I find it's more about counselling and a mentor's 'holding the mirror' up to us (in the context of the subject area) than anything. Experience counts. A spiritual mentor can model humility and tell how it was for them. So, identification in this is crucial--a 'perfect mentor' would defeat the purpose I think.
6:14 PM  

Blogger tuti said...
i always think you're like a saint. a saint has bad hair days too.
9:52 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
SJW - That sounds right to me - that effective mentoring would involve skills similar to those in counseling.

Tuti - You and my mom are so perceptive...

Btw everyone, this is a long holiday weekend in the US so comments to this post may end up being smaller in number and more international...
11:09 PM  

Blogger SusieQ said...
Most of us have had to put on an act at different times in our lives and conceal our true feelings and vulnerabilities. Maybe it was because others depended on us. Maybe it was to hold onto a job. Everyone has their hurdles to clear, their bridges to burn, their heartaches to endure. I never assume anyone is living a perfectly marvelous life regardless of how "got it all together" they appear to have it.

I never assume anyone is perfect. We all have our flaws. Some of us have more than our share of flaws. Some of us less.

I have never had a true spiritual mentor. However, many people have influenced me spiritually during my lifetime especially certain authors and religious figures.

I was surprised and honored to learn one day that a friend of mine, who is my junior by 25+ years, named me as her spiritual mentor when she was asked about it in a Bible study group. This friend happens to be my beautician. Once a month I go for my regular haircut in her basement where she has a nice little beauty shop set up, and we talk. We never talk about spiritual matters actually. Oh, maybe we did once or twice. Our conversations run the gamut topic wise though. Somehow the spiritual comes out I suppose.

Something I do for this friend of mine is build her up whenever I get my hair cut. By the time she is done cutting my hair and styling it, she feels good about herself and about life in general. Maybe this is why she considers me her mentor.
12:40 AM  

Blogger raymond said...
Yes S.J. Wickham, the mirror method is the best. Instead of telling a person what to do, you are giving them the confidence that they can find their way.

The following is probably an example of poor spiritual counseling. Mother Teresa suffered terrible unrelenting spiritual torment for many years. Archbishop Ferdinand Périer was one of her spiritual advisors. In a Time magazine article, David Van Biema writes:

“Périer may have missed the note of desperation. "God guides you, dear Mother," he answered avuncularly. "You are not so much in the dark as you think ... You have exterior facts enough to see that God blesses your work ... Feelings are not required and often may be misleading.”

Spiritual darkness is quite normal for those who are intensely moving towards “the One.” But I suspect that her decades of suffering is probably not normal nor useful. Too bad that no one apparently suggested to her that the absence of the divine is simply another manifestation of it.

Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html
9:39 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
Susie - I wonder if maybe our experiences are the more usual form spiritual mentoring takes - ?
That is, indirect, and where religion and spirituality are discussed very little...

I'd be curious what others think. Seems like there are at least those two types of mentoring - the implicit and the overt...

Raymond - Guess the Archbishop illustrates how much real counseling skills are needed to be an effective mentor - or even just the ability to listen, to take in rather than project.
11:24 AM  

Blogger tuti said...
I enjoyed reading Daphne's review of Original Faith. She was thorough and put a lot of thought into what she wrote.
1:11 PM  

Blogger vishesh said...
I agree with you on the mentor thing..I have had many who have encouraged me, but as you said I don't idolize them...

For me 'I' am my best mentor and others are signs from whom I can realize things...
1:10 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
Tuti - That was my reaction too.

Vishesh - "For me 'I' am my best mentor and others are signs from whom I can realize things..." That's a really good summary of how I've experienced this as well.
5:04 PM  

Anonymous Lisa (Mommy Mystic) said...
Great topic. I did have a teacher/mentor for a 10 year period, although it was very loose in certain ways - I wouldn't see him for months on end at times. Then for the past 11 year I have not had anyone like that, but frequently attend retreats and workshops with teachers of all different backgrounds and faiths. I did not see my teacher as 'perfect' in the way you describe. In one sense, 'further up the road' is accurate, and on another he simply had a lot of knowledge about meditation and spiritual traditions that I did not have, and that provided me with context for my journey. He also had tremendous insight into people and myself, and that is what I think can make a true teacher/counselor especially valuable. We can't always see our own ego patterns, but someone with true seeing abilities can.
All that being said, I still do have some 'belief' (although I dislike that word) in enlightenment - in the idea that there is a way to live, a place we can come to, that is a fundamentally different kind of existence. Where the ego and its habits cannot really grab us anymore. I don't know if it matters if we ever get there, and since I subscribe to rebirth/reincarnation in some form, I think it is a pursuit across lifetimes. But I do think it is possible.
10:43 PM  

Anonymous Albert | UrbanMonk.Net said...
I think that people who look for perfect people to be their mentors are in a way searching to be perfect themselves, which is a symptom of their worldview.


Perhaps the best word I've heard is the Japanese "Sensei". It simply means someone who has been there before. There is no expectations for some kind of saintliness or perfection - just been there before and come out of it a better person.

A much healthier figure to look up to, I believe! Would love to hear what you think.
7:13 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
Lisa - "...that is what I think can make a true teacher/counselor especially valuable. We can't always see our own ego patterns, but someone with true seeing abilities can."

That sounds right to me…

As to coming to lead "a fundamentally different kind of existence,” that enters into territory that's challenging to conceptualize. How different? Always different? What is "identity?" Where is continuity? Where is discontinuity - or is the discontinuity of enlightenment, if it should be conceived that way, a matter of reconnecting?

Albert- That works for me. "Sensei" sounds like an earthy, realistic version of "saint" - a word that I have problems with because of how much it puts the person on a pedestal. It's almost like the saint is turned into a NON mentor with the implication that "You ordinary people have no chance of being anything like this..."
11:22 AM  

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