Sunday, June 07, 2009

Spiritual Experience vs. Realization: Broadening the Question

Lisa E. at MommyMystic has sometimes posted about what she calls the distinction between “spiritual experience” and “spiritual realization.” The distinction seems to have occurred to her (me too) from having known people who seemed to have authentic and powerful spiritual experiences that somehow failed to change their lives for the better – that made no difference in how they felt and functioned day to day or treated others.

Her recent post on this topic left me with a few added thoughts:

Lisa was looking at mystical experience – the kind of “one with the universe” or one with God experience that can happen during meditation or spontaneously – but there are a wide variety of other experiences that change some lives for the better but not others. So the broader question becomes: Why do experiences that change some of us for the better fail to realize change in others?

Additional Life Changing Experiences – or Not…

Non-mystical religious experiences: Included here would be regular participation in religious rituals, which has a positive effect on millions of lives around the world. For millions of others, ritual is meaningless. For a relatively small group, participation in religion helps fuel their violent egos.

Then there's the “born again Christian” phenomenon. While it frankly looks to me like some people fake it, huge numbers certainly do not. (Including, if I recall correctly, the founders of AA.) The classic born again paradigm is alcohol or substance abuse/casual sex/late nights/bad company followed by a sudden, emotionally charged acceptance of Christianity. And it started long before sex, drugs and rock n roll – consider, for example, John Bunyan’s autobiographical “Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners,” written in the 17th century.

Experiences with nature: “He was born in the summer of his 27th year, comin’ home to a place he’d never been before…” Country roads worked well for John Denver, but Ted Kaczynski not so much. Plenty of people have enjoyed standing on mountaintops and walking through forests without any positive change in their lives.

Psychological insight: While it’s a must on the path to positive change, there are people for whom it becomes stagnant and all in their heads. Insight can be mere intellectualization.

Love: If I had to guess, I’d guess that powerful experiences of love most reliably lead to positive life changes. Two popular Christian-based metaphors for this are “A Christmas Carol” and “How the Grinch Stole Christmas.” But even here, I can well imagine someone having a powerful experience of love but in the end falling back on old patterns of behavior

A Question of Receptivity

Why do experiences that produce lasting, positive changes in some leave others no better off? It appears that some people are better able to receive and assimilate potentially transformative experiences than others – at least when they’re up to it. No one is by any means always receptive.

Apparently people have been giving thought to the matter of differences in receptivity for a long time:

"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in the heart; this is what was sown on the path. As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet such a person has no root, but endures only for a while, and when trouble or persecution arises on account of the word, that person immediately falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the lure of wealth choke the word, and it yields nothing. But as for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty." Matt 13:19-23

11 Comments:

Blogger firebird said...
Seems to me that some people are motivated to change, and others don't really see the point.
I've always wondered why, since unless you are happy with yourself the way you are (and who of us is?)-- changing from the inside is our best hope for improving our life, outlook, and well-being.
So why don't we hold on to that with all the strength we have, and make it happen?
9:23 PM  

Blogger SusieQ said...
We benefit from the encouragement of others. When a person has a spiritual experience, it helps the person to convert the experience into something that is life changing when the person has the support of a group such as AA or a church on a regular basis.
10:44 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
FIREBIRD and SUSIEQ: What’s seems strange is that experiences that would appear so major that you’d think they’d supply the needed motivation for change, including seeking any needed encouragement and support, sometimes do but sometimes don’t.
9:55 AM  

Blogger Vincent said...
This is an extraordinary and important post, Paul, for in it you expose an important facet of Christianity, tracing it back to the Jesus of the Gospels as revealed in the Parable of the Sower.

You expose the root of Christianity’s divisive effect: looking at others and judging them, from some alleged position of superior wisdom.

1) "people who seemed to have authentic and powerful spiritual experiences" How can one know?

2) "that somehow failed to change their lives for the better" How can one know?

3) Then you ask why (1) doesn't lead to (2). How can one know?

I don’t think it’s a good idea to reify "spiritual experience" and "spiritual realization". People do their thing. We need laws and customs to protect ourselves from any harm they may do to others. Let judgment cease. Let people carry out their religious rituals (or not) as they see fit.

Who can see into a soul?
12:02 PM  

OpenID mommymystic said...
Paul - thanks for continuing this, I have had so many thoughts swimming through my head re: this topic. One thing I didn't cover is grace, or transmission from a teacher, as another type of trigger for mystic experience. And in the Eastern traditions that make transmission a formal part of the teachings, there is of course this idea of the receiver needing to be 'ready' for each transmission - needing to be at the point where they are ready to process what is transmitted. In the West I find a lot of us tend to see this as authoritarian and a control method, and of course sometimes it has been used that way. But I also think there is truth in it. Not everyone's path unfolds that way, of course, but it is one way.
On the other hand, I do see Vincent's point - how do we know what is going on with people internally? People's paths unfold in so many different ways - there isn't one order or pace - so it's hard to know how someone is processing. However, I think the problem with a completely open-minded approach, is that there's no basis for saying a particularly teaching or teacher really is dangerous or crazy. It's a tough line for me, because I am drawn to 'crazy wisdom' traditions. But there's a big difference between those and Waco, and you have to have a basis for saying that. For me, it's heart - is there heart or not? And like that famous Supreme Court Justice quote on porn, at this point re: heart I've decided I just 'know it when I see it'. Which might be arrogance, but I have to have some basis for proceeding (especially in LA, with a guru on every street corner.)
2:40 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
VINCENT: I agree with you on both your main points– clearly religion has often been a source of conflict in the world and judgmentalism is unwise.

MOMMYMYSTIC: Yes, it sure is a complex topic. I imagine a large number of factors are involved in whether this person or that – or the same person at different times – is receptive to a particular experience, or form of experience, with the potential to effect positive change.

I agree with Vincent’s comment against being judgmental too. However, judgmentalism, as your comment would suggest, is distinct from the simple recognition of mental unwellness, whether we speak of clinical mental illness, behavior that’s grossly immoral, or less obvious forms of unwellness that we may recognize in ourselves or people we're close to.
5:37 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
Thomas Aquinas wrote that grace builds on nature, it doesn't destroy it. I'm not certain what that means :) but maybe it means in part that a religious experience doesn't do away with a person's nature such as it was before the experience, but works with what's there. Given what some people have gone through , the challenges to their self-esteem or mental/emotional health, there may be more factors keeping them from changing than facilitating change?
8:44 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
CRYSTAL: The Aquinas quote would also make sense if you substitute "unconscious mind" for grace - or, as William James reflected, the unconscious mind might be the medium for grace.

Seems to me that would be the case - what you say about the factors. And the factors must be complicated.
10:54 AM  

Blogger Mama Zen said...
I'm looking at the question from the Christian perspective, and I think that some people fail to really change simply because it's hard. Yes, you are saved, you are a new creation, but your boss is still a jerk, your bills are still past due, and the world is still the world.
11:33 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
MAMA ZEN: "The devil is in the details" so to speak...
9:21 AM  

Blogger Hayden said...
or you could take the Aquinas quote and substitute the word "character" for "nature"....

I tend to agree with firebird, too. There has to be a desire, no matter how buried, to change. With that, there must the ability to impose self-discipline; for on it's own, desire is not enough.
4:14 PM  

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